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How to Build Product Development Teams 🛠️ — with Rob Zuber

Refactoring Podcast Season 5 • Episode 13


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Today’s guest is Rob Zuber, CTO of CircleCI. With Rob, we talked about:

  • Software delivery, the impact of AI, and how to build great product engineering teams.

  • Trade-offs between standardization versus flexibility in software organizations, and lessons learned from our respective past mistakes.

🥇 Interview Summary

If you are a 🔒 paid subscriber 🔒 you will find my own summary of the interview below.

It’s the 10-minute, handcrafted takeaways of what we talked about, with timestamps to the relevant video moments, for those who don’t have time to sit through the 1-hour chat.

Here is the agenda for today:

  1. 🎯 Building the Perfect Product Team

  2. 📊 The Bell Curve of Engineering Metrics

  3. 🔧 T-Shaped Engineers and Learning Velocity

  4. ⚖️ Standardization vs. Flexibility Trade-offs

  5. 🚀 From Startup to Scale: Lessons Learned

Let’s dive in 👇


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